Gun disarm video

[chick sterling]

What do you all think of this video of gun disarms?
I realize that these are more for demo purposes but I am unsure if they would be effective.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8773992271

[mateo]

Firstly out of respect for the practitioners we are viewing here I'd like to say that they look very highly skilled and as you mentioned it is a demo rather than a self defense workshop.

It reminds me of a Jin Jung Kwan demo. It probably is. I don't care for the exaggerated reactions and flamboyant techniques they prefer to show case in their demo style, but that's just me. They seem to treat demos like theatre rather than just displaying what they do. They were an extremely popular demo team, so what do I know? Plus I've seen Lee Chang-Soo doing conservative techniques in a highly realistic manner and he is one of the teachers who has impressed me the most in Korea. So I guess what I am saying is that many schools have two faces; one for the promotion of their school to the public and one that gets down to the nitty-gritty on the mats.

Back to the clip:

For me, the problem isn't most of the locks employed but the distance and the timing.

The guy with the gun pointed at him, at a distance, 'inches' forward before stepping in and doesn't wait for a distracted moment. I think that is where he gets shot. Often the first movement isn't stepping off the line of fire which is also a mistake in my opinion. I think it may also be a mistake to assume that when striking the gun wielding hand that the gun will go flying out of the hand. It may, it may not. If you crescent-kick the weapon holding hand (not my favourite approach) I'd like to see an immediate follow-up for control that takes into consideration that you may have just knocked the gun off the line and not sent it flying.

...But then they wouldn't get a chance to show off their spinning back and heel kicks! (which they look quite good at!)

If you look at, say, 40 seconds into the clip, I don't think that there looks like there is anything wrong with their using that whipping pull to help extract the weapon from the hand. It would probably work pretty well.

[Brian_Beach]

Piggy backing to Matt's comments - I think they also rely heavily on the assumption that a strike will dislodge the weapon. Might, Might not.

Also also there is the "stand there while I beat you up" factor. - Why wouldn't the gunman move to keep the distance or become more aggressive when he sees the person backing up.

[mateo]

MacEwan-sensei of Nihon Goshin Aikido did some of the best gun disarms I have seen with convincing rationale behind his tactics.

Here are some of his students working on disarms. Not as well performed as by MacEwan but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y35CZf_4JrE
They are practising with the finger out of the trigger so you don't a feeling for the real technique or the controls possible after the rotation.

Emphasis is placed upon the trajectory of the barrel and the first choice is a skyward redirection, then back at the shooter, breaking his finger in the trigger. If the gun discharges it discharges upward or at the shooter and not at people to one's left or right.

Nihon Goshin Aikido apparently descends from a teacher of Daito-ryu rather than a teacher of aikido.

MacEwan is based out of New Jersey, I believe.

[mateo]

Bunch of gun disarms one might discuss here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__CdPeJoXo

[Stuart Rosenberg]

MacEwan-sensei of Nihon Goshin Aikido did some of the best gun disarms I have seen with convincing rationale behind his tactics.

Here are some of his students working on disarms. Not as well performed as by MacEwan but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y35CZf_4JrE
They are practising with the finger out of the trigger so you don't a feeling for the real technique or the controls possible after the rotation.

Emphasis is placed upon the trajectory of the barrel and the first choice is a skyward redirection, then back at the shooter, breaking his finger in the trigger. If the gun discharges it discharges upward or at the shooter and not at people to one's left or right.

Nihon Goshin Aikido apparently descends from a teacher of Daito-ryu rather than a teacher of aikido.

MacEwan is based out of New Jersey, I believe.

good stuff